
Amid sliding value of the
Naira, mounting complaints by private sector players on the tottering
state of the economy, all appears not to be well with the state of
affairs of Nigeria. But, it is not time to despair, says former Abia
State Governor, Dr Orji Uzor Kalu, as President Muhammadu Buhari is
making efforts to rework the economy. In an interview with journalists
in Lagos, at the weekend, on arrival from the United Kingdom, Kalu said
Buhari should be given enough time to deliver on his promises as he
grapples with the burden of surmountinmg Nigeria’s multi faceted
challenges.
By Kenneth Ehijiator
On the pro-Biafra Republic protests
Those boys are right, they have a right to demonstrate, but not
violent demonstration, not killing soldiers because if I am a Commander-
in -Chief, and you kill one of my soldiers, I will kill everybody. You
cannot kill soldiers. You cannot kill police. You have a right to say
no, we want our own Republic. The United Nations charter gives them the
right to ask for self-determination. It is not a right to go and destroy
people’s properties or to go and destroy Nigerian Armed Forces, whether
it is Nigerian Army, Nigerian Navy or Nigerian Police.
If I am president, I will set up either traditional rulers and some
political leaders to go and ask the boys what they really want, what is
really their problem, what can be done to stop them from asking for
this? This was how Boko Haram started killing members of Catholic
Church, and as a Catholic, I spoke vehemently against it. I told you
airport correspondents that they will finish killing the Catholic and
will go and start killing everybody and it happened.
When kidnapping started, then I was governor, they were kidnapping
white people and I spoke out. I said when they finished kidnapping white
people and there were no more white man to kidnap, they would start
kidnapping us and that is what is happening in the country today.
So, I will advise the Federal Government: This is a federation, you
need to manage the federation. Some people must ask for
self-determination. It is the management of the people that matters.
President Buhari, as a matter of fact, should set out traditional
rulers, set out people, set out security and intelligent agencies to
intervene. They should be more intelligent than policemen or military
people carrying guns. They should find a way and tell the boys that what
they are doing is not the right thing to do. So, it is left for the
Federal Government. This is the right time to nip the agitation in the
bud, but not by force. It is a wrong strategy hearing people saying that
we will quench it by force. We cannot quench anything by force because
it is their right to ask for self- determination.
But is it the right thing to do in a bigger country like ours? It is
only a president that doesn’t know what he wants that will want a
section of his country to go. I think negotiation is part of democracy.
I have seen your Enugu-Port Harcourt, Aba-Umahia express road that
have not been built, I will build it in two years; I have seen your
Awka-Onitsha express way that is not built, I will build it in two
years; I have seen that your Umuahia-Ohafia to Aruchukuwu to Cross River
express way is not built, I will do it. I have seen that your
Arondizuogu-Okigwe express way is not done, I will do it.
I have seen that your Enugu to Makurdi express way is bad, people are dying there every day.
This was what I quarrelled with the government over it in 2001. I
said our roads are bad. Federal roads are very bad and they are taking
it for granted. Check what I have said 10 years ago, they are recurring
today and the government is still playing with it, people are still
doing politics with it.
What is your take on plans by some state governors to either sack workers on cut down on salaries of civil servants?
It is a truism that all is not well with the state of Nigeria’s
financial economy. The current situation, if the truth must be told, is
that we are in dire straits. This time calls for deep reflection and
serious financial reengineering by managers of the public sector.
This requires creative, strategic and visionary leadership by leaders
at all levels because the reality is that the the resources accruing
from crude oil sales are dwindling by the day on account of falling oil
prices in the international market.
Financial obligations
Above all, leadership is about the ability to take the right
decisions at the right time by putting the people first. State governors
should cut down on frivolous expenses in order to meet their financial
obligations especially workers’ salaries and payment to pensioners.
If it means converting a portion of the security vote to fix serious responsibilities, it is worth it.
This is because many state governors allegedly siphon the so -called
security vote. We must learn to live within our means as a way to
sustain a decent life. Governors should leverage on other revenue
sources to complement the federal allocation. The era of depending on a
mono product economy is long over.
On the need for President Muhammadu Buhari and his team to
hammer out serious economic interventions or measures to revive the
economy

Orji Uzor Kalu
I cannot agree with you any less on this matter. In fact, any casual
observer of the Nigerian economic situation knows that things are not
looking up. As some observers have out put it, the economic house is
falling, if urgent steps are not taken we may be heading for trouble
economically.
Put in a parable, we could situate the economic reality by seeing
President Buhari as the manager of the economy as a distributor who has
distributed goods to his customers, he came back to the market, all his
customers closed the door, he didn’t see anybody to collect money from.
Dilemma of the president
He called somebody and said break the door, any door he broke,
nothing was seen so he went back to all the shops, there was nothing
inside the shops, he didn’t see the goods he supplied them and he didn’t
find any money that the shop owners were supposed to pay. That is the
dilemma of the president, if I can say. He didn’t tell me but this is
what I feel.
I feel strongly that it will take the president the next two to three
years to sort out this problem. Nigerians are always in a hurry and I
am surprised. Change don’t come easy. What the president is doing is
what he is supposed to do.
How do you think the president is feeling in this dismal scenario you have painted?
The president should be having hypertension now but I am sure he is
confused himself because the goods he supplied are still there even if
he does not have his money.
You know I am not a member of the All Progressives Congress, APC,
so, I don’t speak for them. What I speak is the truth and people should
not be expecting President Buhari to do miracles.
I am not a member of his party but he is a very close friend of mine
and you should not be expecting President Buhari to do miracles. I don’t
expect him to do miracle, there is no miracle in this business, he has
to take his time.
The situation is made worse because oil prices have gone down and
everybody is looking if there will be any slight change in the third
quarter of 2016.
Nigerians just elected their president for change and they want to see the change immediately.
It is not possible, the president has to take his time, he has to
take account of what he has seen and what he has not seen. From what I
am hearing, they have not even started to ask questions about where our
money has gone to. So many people said that many officials still need to
answer some questions. My reading is that President Buhari as our
leader is very unlucky, he came into the saddle of leadership for a
change during a very difficult time.
What is your take on efforts by the Buhari administration to
recover looted funds by the past regime through the anti – corruption
measures already in place?
I think President Buhari is on track in his efforts to recover looted
funds by the past administration. The anti-corruption measure is not a
drawback as some critics may want to see it. Given the malfeasance that
took place in the last regime, the president is handling the situation
very well. It is not a drawback at all. Buhari should know who he should
call because there was massive looting, I am sure most people didn’t
want to listen to some people like us, who were shouting about what
happened in the last administration.
We said that there was corruption and the corruption that we saw in
the last administration was very high. I told airport correspondents in
one of my interview sessions when I landed at the Lagos Airport that
there was corruption in the last regime.
Though, I am a friend of the former president but I speak the truth, I
told you people that I came from Emirates, Dubai and I have never seen
the kind of corruption I was seeing then in Nigeria; people were
carrying the dollar by hand. Journalists confronted me that why couldn’t
I advise the former president and I remember telling them that beyond
friendship the country comes first. And you people asked me, ‘are you
not a friend of Jonathan? I said, ‘yes, I am his friend and so what? Our
country comes first .’
So, I am still standing here. If Buhari does a bad thing tomorrow, I
will caution him. I have written letters to former president Olusegun
Obasanjo, I have written to Jonathan although the one of Jonathan is not
in the public and I wrote letters to Yar ‘Adua when he was president so
I am sure Nigerians should be patient with President Buhari.